Fwd: mari - dravidian or aryan?

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From: Asko Parpola <asko.parpola@helsinki.fi>
Date: Sun, 19 Feb, 2006, 9:48 pm
Subject: Re: mari - dravidian or aryan?
To: GMAIL <pasupathi.k.pillai@gmail.com>

Dear Mr Pillai,

Thank you for your interest in my Nasatya paper. I know very well the Tamil
words which you compare -- today itself I flew from Trichy to Trivandrum,
where I am writing this reply to you. There is much evidence for early Aryan
contacts in the Finno-Ugrian languages, but it is hard to push the
Dravidians from India much beyond the Indus Valley.

You are quite right with the Ugrians, their name comes from Aryan and
corresponds to Sanskrit ugra 'ferocious; noble'. But there is no connection
with Agra.

The similarity of Dravidian ur with the names of the Sumerian cities has
been noticed before, but the similarity is likely to be accidental, because
it is not supported by other equally suggestive cases with systematic sound
correspondences.

With best regards, Yours, Asko Parpola

Quoting GMAIL <pasupathi.k.pillai@gmail.com>:

> Respected Sir,
>
> In your Nasatyas speech at page 39 you mentioned mari as a aryan word
> mari is very old Tamil name - mari amman is still a Tamil god
> mari means black, also black cloud, also rain
> the aryand related word still used in north near to mari is mardh - means
> young bull type man
> this mardh also has a dravidian connection in the form of marudhu -
> marudhak kaalai - means
> the man who looks like a marudhu - bull
> marudhu pandiyar were a famous group of Thevar rebel chieftains to the
> British Raj
> after this marudhu pandiyar, there was a state road transport corporation
> also - named by DMK
> leader karunanidhi
>
> i think the Ugrian also contains the Ugra - the ferocius one.
> i dont know about the ugriatic people
> but i feel the Ugra - Agra - Ugriatic has a connection
>
> The place Agra also got its name from Ugrasenan [the ferocius military
> man [senan] or the ferocius soldier] a kshatriya king
>
> also the Assyrians - and the word Asura word can have a connection as
> like the slaves and slavs
>
> also the Ur, Nippur, Enlil, Enki, all sound like Telugu / Old Tamil
>
> please reply you ideas
>
> i am the same old engineer from india - who mailed you reg. my doubts on
> the koperunj cholan - pisarandhaiyar
>
> thanks for your time
>
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Asko Parpola
Institute for Asian and African Studies
POB 59 (Unioninkatu 38 B)
FIN-00014 University of Helsinki, Finland